BishopMuTu
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Post by BishopMuTu on Sept 13, 2006 7:40:51 GMT -5
Scholars have debated this question alot. Noah's Ark, The Resurrection, Parting the Red Sea, the Seven Plagues - is all of this real? Is it real but taken out of context? Whatcha think?
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Post by BigRoc on Sept 13, 2006 8:31:14 GMT -5
GREAT QUESTION -- I am just browsing at the moment, but I will answer this question when I get a free minute.
That's what I'm talking about!!!
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Post by mektrapp on Sept 13, 2006 19:00:12 GMT -5
WOW! Good one MuTu! In MY opinion….yes. It is all about faith. In Hebrew 11:1, it states it best, faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. So regardless if I was there or not, I have faith and this is what I believe. Every one have a right to there belief. I believe we as people may take things from the bible out of context and that is when we need to pray and ask for guidance for understanding. We have to realize that we have to answer for ourselves. We can’t make any one believe one thing or another. We just got to love everyone the same.
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Post by angelndisguise on Sept 13, 2006 21:07:16 GMT -5
OK, here's the deal...when I was a little girl I believed that Santa fit his big body down the chimney to deliver Christmas presents. As I got older/wiser I began to ask questions like: "We don't have a chimney, so how does Santa get in our house?" "Through the front door" was the answer my parents provided me. A few years later I woke up in the middle of the night on Christmas Eve, believing that it was Christmas Day, to find my mommy and daddy watching tv surrounded by my Christmas gifts. As you can imagine, I was quite confused and questioned my faith in Santa after that event. Despite this questioning, I still chose to believe in Santa. Some may think that it was foolish of me to do so, but at the time my faith outweighed my reasoning. Now I am grown, and I decided to put my faith in the Lord. Just like I was as a child, I am sure there are those who are trying to reason and make sense of it all. My advise to them is to really think about the goodness that is to come with believing (i.e. receiving presents, daily blessings) and run with it!
To make a long story short--If Jesus said it, it is so!
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BishopMuTu
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Post by BishopMuTu on Sept 15, 2006 8:00:08 GMT -5
My advise to them is to really think about the goodness that is to come with believing (i.e. receiving presents, daily blessings) and run with it! To make a long story short--If Jesus said it, it is so! Think of the benefits of believing? If Jesus said it, it is so? Yeah, angel - this is all cute but what are you really saying? The non-believer won't experience the same gifts? There are just as many kids that don't believe in Santa that receive gifts as those that do. The tragedy of your statement is for those "kids" that believe with all of their heart that Santa is real and NEVER receive anything because of their family economic situation. This - i believe is the same tragedy in the CHURCH. If a person doesn't receive the "gift" or blessing that they were awaiting from GOD then it's easily discounted as that person being doubtful, or not being in the will of God. However, i see just as many folks in the world that do not believe every word in the Bible and are still blessed. There is no book or writing in this earth that I believe is 100% accurate. Are there divine inspirations in the Bible? - Sure. There are just as many books on shelves though that are divinely inspired and authored by men that do not share the Christian faith but are still Holy and Spiritual. For me it is hard to believe that Noah built an ark with every animal of the world represented on it for survival. I find it just as hard to "believe" that the Earth was flooded by Gods wrath. What I find more believable is Noah's land that he knew was flooded which to him represented "Earth". There is alot that I don't "believe" in the Bible. But there is no harm in believing. I just hope that people understand that there is more to spiritual living than just the teachings of the Bible - or Jesus.
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Post by BigRoc on Sept 15, 2006 15:07:33 GMT -5
The tragedy of your statement is for those "kids" that believe with all of their heart that Santa is real and NEVER receive anything because of their family economic situation. This - i believe is the same tragedy in the CHURCH. If a person doesn't receive the "gift" or blessing that they were awaiting from GOD then it's easily discounted as that person being doubtful, or not being in the will of God. However, i see just as many folks in the world that do not believe every word in the Bible and are still blessed. Bishop I hear you and there is a difference between Santa Clause and God...God DOES have a present for you and everyone else...Santa like you said can't say that...Santa brings gifts to some God offers to all when they go and claim the prize. God does bless everyone. Good and evil they all get touched...The sun shines and sets on the just and the unjust... The million dollar question is did you claim your present before your physical life comes to an end and judgment stands in your way! If you say that when its your time its your time to go(predestined) Well thats not the truth...Just ask Hezekiah My other question to you Bishop is you seem like a man that is open minded and seeks/motivated by knowledge so why are you so closed to God? Have you ever had an encounter in your whole entire life with what you call the supreme force/being? Is there a reason you choose not to acknowledge that there is a God? Please answer from your heart and not what scholars say but what you say/know/believe.
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Post by angelndisguise on Sept 18, 2006 20:48:50 GMT -5
Well Bishop, since you seem to like my analogy--let's run with it...I believed in Santa as a little girl, that doesn't mean that all children did. There were some children that did not or were told by their parents who the real "Santa" was. At the end of the day we all received gifts, the believers and the nonbelievers. And yes, there were some unfortunate kids that didn't get any gifts at all. Just like life, there are those like myself who believe in Jesus and give him all the credit for the blessings in my life. And then there are those like yourself who credit themselves for their blessings--as you put it. Well let me ask you bishop, these "blessings" that you refer to, are blessings from WHO? ?? I think it is quite comical that you use such terminology interchangeably. Sometimes you qoute the Bible to a 'T' and at other times you dismiss it as just another reference book. I'm confused--do you just pick and choose the times that it works best for you and your argument or are you just trying to figure yourself out? Of course I have felt like those kids who received nothing at times--I questioned God when my father died as well as when I saw other Christians down and out. My mother informed me at an early age that everybody has their ups and downs but it's your faith that will pull you through. If you didn't have faith, things would be far worse. My question is to people like yourself who feel "lucky"... what happens when your luck runs out? I think it is quite arrogant to believe that everything that you accomplish in life is do to your own will. I would be a fool to believe that in tough situations you didn't pray for deliverance or guidance. I know better and you do too. It is good to ask questions for understanding, but when it comes to religion, some questions don't have a definite solution!
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Post by BigRoc on Sept 18, 2006 21:13:24 GMT -5
It doesn't matter how much you talk to a person until they see that there is a need for them to change they never will.
You can tell a person all day that there is a hospital and a physician that can heal them, But until the person acknowledges that there is a hospital and a physician in existence they will never get that healing. Once the person realizes there is a hospital there then they will at least realize it can heal people. They may not believe they are sick and can't get well but at least they know it can heal.
The hospital in the example is God and the physician is Jesus.
When people believe that there is NO GOD at all they are telling the "Supreme Being" you do not even show up on my radar. Thats like not speaking to someone who invited you to there house and just taking over as if its yours. Making your owns rules while the owner is among you.
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BishopMuTu
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Post by BishopMuTu on Sept 19, 2006 8:30:41 GMT -5
This is pretty good. I have never - to my knowledge - said that my "blessings" are my own doing, or i'm lucky. Nor have I said that there isn't a God.
I think that it is good to understand the psychology that goes behind your religious beliefs. And even more important to understand what those that don't share your beliefs feel. I do look at the Bible as a reference book that gives us a historical basis from which the Christian faith is built - but I do not recognize it as a book that is 100% factual.
I applaud you guys for your faith and belief. If it helps you to excel and accomplish then that's even better. To each his own - that's the beauty of life. Your genuine belief is appreciated.
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Post by BigRoc on Sept 19, 2006 8:47:13 GMT -5
BISHOP--You are right on! You never mentioned that you didn't believe there is a God. I want to aplogize to you for putting more into a situation that what really was there.
What I like about this question is a person must examine themselves 1st and find out who they really are before answering. Thats why to me a forum like this is important.
Do people really know why they believe what they believe and second do they believe it themselves. This to me is wonderful.
A lot of times people are just reciting knowledge that others have said without understanding and believing what they are referencing. An example of this is when people quote scriptures and have NO idea what it truly means like "The bible says An eye for an eye" without taking into context when and how it was used. They also fail to mention what Jesus said to counter that argument.
I do believe that everything in bible is real and accurate.
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