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Sept 25, 2006 8:38:38 GMT -5
Post by BigRoc on Sept 25, 2006 8:38:38 GMT -5
I have been hearing this phrase from people since I was a little child.
So, what do you think?
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Sept 25, 2006 18:50:49 GMT -5
Post by mektrapp on Sept 25, 2006 18:50:49 GMT -5
AHHH! Good question. I believe once you are saved you are always saved. Things may come and go and you may backslide but you then must repent and not have to “get saved” again.
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Sept 25, 2006 19:19:33 GMT -5
Post by angelndisguise on Sept 25, 2006 19:19:33 GMT -5
Yeah, I struggled with this one too in college. I never considered myself not to be Saved at any point in my life after my initial acknowledgement of Christ as my Lord and Savior. When my friends or anyone else for that matter asked me that infamous question, "Are you saved?" My answer was always yes. However, through tiime I understood that I needed to rededicate my life to Christ. I looked at it more like a renewing process from something that I decided so long ago when I was STRONGLY ADVISED to go up to the front of the church once the "doors were open". I remember that like it was yesterday, secrectly upset with my big cousin for not telling me she was going to do it the year before! What was she thinking? She left me up there with James, what happened to the family ties? (Side Note: It took me the longest time as a child to figure that phrase out, when no one actually "opened" the doors of the church! LOL)
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Sept 26, 2006 8:03:50 GMT -5
Post by BigRoc on Sept 26, 2006 8:03:50 GMT -5
The answer is false to me. People wake up everyday unsaved and through the course of the day can become saved( To offer their lives a living sacrifice to God) and the same is true for the "saved"
They can wake up saved and end up bound for Hell!
Thats telling a person that once you offer your life to Christ you can do what you want to do because you are saved now...Anything you do !!
Paul says in Romans 12:1-2 that this renewal that angelndisguise was referring to must happen all day everyday throughout a person life. Mektrapp you are right one must repent of there disobedience to God. Mektrapp when you repent are you not asking God to "Save" you and put you back into the Kingdom because of your disobedience.
Think about it...You can be in the ark of the covenant and find your way moving away from the teachings of God and end up just like the devil. KICKED OUT!
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Oct 2, 2006 20:12:29 GMT -5
Post by mektrapp on Oct 2, 2006 20:12:29 GMT -5
I see what you are saying, Rock. I think this is one of those that is up to the interpretation. I understand what you are saying. I am looking at it from the point of view, there is only need for one baptism, after you have confessed God. The daily renewal, to me, is the constant asking of God to forgive you for your sins in which, you are renewed into his kingdom. Once he has forgiven you then you are clean again. It is sad but a lot of people do believe that all they have to do it get baptized and they are automatically going to heaven. That goes back to education. The church along with the new Christian need to step up their game, in that area. Yes you do have to be in constant prayer with God, that in itself is a renewal to God daily.
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Oct 3, 2006 7:13:51 GMT -5
Post by BigRoc on Oct 3, 2006 7:13:51 GMT -5
I see what you are saying, Rock. I think this is one of those that is up to the interpretation. Mektrapp thats the problem with Christianity today. Everyone has an interpretation. Everyone has a Bible which makes them scholars of the Word. Have people ever asked themselves, why did only certain people have access to the Word of God in the old and new testament? Why were those people chosen and what were they equipped with that enabled them to handle The Word?
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Oct 5, 2006 17:28:56 GMT -5
Post by angelndisguise on Oct 5, 2006 17:28:56 GMT -5
Going back to what Mektrapp stated about education--I think that education is important in all realms of life, including church. For me church is a lot like school. The preacher is the teacher. With this being said, churches should have more educational programs in place for the members to attend to increase their knowledge. This can not be forgotten! For the life of me I can not see how a church that is functioning in 2006 can really be productive without an educational program implemented. If not, I'm sure that it is every man/family for themselves instead of everybody working on one accord. Can I get an AMEN Mektrapp?
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Oct 6, 2006 10:00:22 GMT -5
Post by BigRoc on Oct 6, 2006 10:00:22 GMT -5
So when a church puts an educational program into motion, what then? The student still needs to study outside of the "classroom' setting. The student may say well the teacher does not challenge me, but the student doesn't realize that life is challenging them. Life is your homework. Praise and worship is your daily lesson. We hold our churches accountable to do things that we ourselves don't do!
If the person/student is thirsting after the things of God, then the student needs to open his/her eyes to God. If a student wants more they can enroll into a seminary school, they can find tutors and mentors to get what you need. Church is not a building made with hands!
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Oct 8, 2006 17:06:29 GMT -5
Post by angelndisguise on Oct 8, 2006 17:06:29 GMT -5
Easier said than often done SolidRock. That's like telling a child they should strive to learn more, but the place (school) won't be provided--you have to do it on your own. Yes there will be some children who would will utilize their outside resources, but there will be many who say, "Oh, well!" My point is there should be things already implemented, i.e. educational courses in church if you want people to learn more about church. Even your job provides training for you, they don't just say go read the manual and begin on Monday and expect sufficient work.
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Oct 11, 2006 8:39:33 GMT -5
Post by mektrapp on Oct 11, 2006 8:39:33 GMT -5
AMEN! Angelndisguise you are on point. I agree with you. You must have education and yes you can do some on your own…but that is when people start doing there own agenda and that’s how some churches split up. Just like they say a family that pray together (learn- same thing) stay together. How are we going to fight the devil if we are not on the same accord? When people join the Army, or what ever military services they chose, do they not COME TOGETHER and TRAIN TOGETHER. They don’t go out to war and fight the battle with the skills they have tried to teach themselves in their backyard. They use the skill they learn TOGETHER in boot camp. We have to come together and learn on one accord. We have some preachers that down education. Why is that? Is it because if we are educated that we may see where we are lacking and force the preacher to step up what he needs to do as a leader?
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